Use of Tag Categories

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As seen in the Danbooru wiki

There are five types of tags: artist, character, copyright, general, and meta. Artist tags are red, characters are green, copyrights are purple, general tags are blue, and meta tags are yellow.

It seems to have somewhat caught on to tag aircraft, for example, with the character tag so as to distinguish it from other general tags. This makes tag readability significantly better and easier, but introduces the following question:

What can be done with the other categories? Should 'artist' always be the photographer or "producer" of the image? Should 'copyright' be interpreted to the actual copyright? (e.g.: copy:mcdonnell_douglas when tagging char:f-15 on a photograph, or copy:crye_precision when tagging any product by them), or would it fit better to do copy:us_navy or copy:gdr_air_force, so as to more easily distinguish different armed forces?

(To note: it has come to my attention "copyright" has been renamed to "faction". But, the question is still worth answering.)

I reckon the character tag on weapon systems is quite fitting (e.g.: char:m16a2, char:m977_hemtt) but the other tag categories seem to be far more nebulous in their use.

SEADteamsix said in forum #22:

(some are tagging) aircraft, for with the character tag so as to distinguish it from other general tags. This makes tag readability significantly better and easier, but introduces the question:

What can be done with the other categories?

Yes, renaming copyright was our first attempt to make things suck less.
TL;DR, do whatever the fuck you like, and hopefully we'll figure out what works best eventually

On danbooru, the system would look like this:

Copyright
Kantai Colleciton
Artist
Yoshinori
Character
Shimakaze
tags (blue tags)
striped_socks blonde_hair 1boy etc etc
Meta
official art highres

this worked because danbooru was founded basically as a place to look for pictures of anime girls. So it all flowed naturally. But for us, trying to remake the system from the inside out, it doesn't work so good.

For example, right now, with our skills, we cannot make new categories. You're stuck with those 5 groups. Renaming them does not work very well either. I had the idea to change copyright to "faction" so we could tag things like USA, Imperial Japan, Ottoman Empire, etc etc, or perhaps for more specific groups or units like "USMC" or "Special Landing Force (imperial Japan".

We can still just reuse "copyright" for whatever you want. We just can't change the name yet.

That option is still on the table. But on the other hand, should the USMC be a "character"?

I think the question is, what did you come to milbooru for? With danbooru, the individual characters were focused because that's what you came to the website for. With milbooru, did you come specifically for the gear? If so, maybe M16, F16, whatever should be the character. If you came for pictures of specific units or nations, then the units or nations should be the characters.

and on the other hand, where do we draw the line? if planes are characters and guns are characters, is a helmet a character? A plate carrier?

The vague ideas i have right now is:

copyright (used for conflict or maybe faction/nation)
artist (who took the photo)
Characters- used for groups, individuals or special equipment (too vague)?
tags - used for general descriptions
meta - used for type of photo (staged, candid, video, image) and location.

or

copyright (used for faction/nation)
artist (who took the photo)
Characters- used for special equipment (too vague)?
tags - used for general descriptions
meta - used for type of photo (staged, candid, video, image), location and conflict.

or

copyright - conflict
artist - photographer or faction
characters - equipment
tags - general
meta- meta

Eastman said in forum #24:

I think the question is, what did you come to milbooru for? (...) did you come specifically for the gear? If so, maybe M16, F16, whatever should be the character. If you came for pictures of specific units or nations, then the units or nations should be the characters.

and on the other hand, where do we draw the line? if planes are characters and guns are characters, is a helmet a character? A plate carrier?

Thanks for replying,

In all honesty I don't particularly see any issue in tagging literally any system or equipment, so long as it is readily visible on the photograph. If you had a photograph of one guy posing with his CAGshit it'd be perfectly reasonable to tag all the gear as characters, for example: HK-416, AN/PEQ-15, FAST, FAST_(sentry), JPC_1.0, G3_(combat_shirt) G3_(combat_pant). Or for aircraft, a photograph of an F-16 with the radome open: F-16, F-16C, F-16C_(block_50/52), and then any equipment visible on it: AN/APG-83, AN/AAQ-13_(LANTIRN), mk_82_(bomb), so on and so forth.
I wouldn't go so far so as to describe things that either aren't visible or are implied by the system itself, if you char tag an AR-15 of any kind, it wouldn't make sense to also tag the specific buffer tube or the bolt carrier group, unless they were the focus of the photograph or image. Likewise, I wouldn't tag char:PW_F119 unless it was a photograph of the engine being tested, in any other context it'd just be F-22, F-22A

To note, "FAST, FAST_(sentry)", "F-16, F-16C, (...)", or "F-22, F-22A" would be, Godwilling, all tag implied from the base F-16 like outfits or variants on a gacha character, like it already happens in Danbooru with kongou_(kancolle), kongou_kai_ni_(kancolle). I am wholly unequipped to argue whether or not char:HK-416 or even char:M16A4 should be under char:AR-15 in this manner, I'd rather leave that to popular opinion.

As for copyright, I think it's already a great idea to have it be the faction, to which I myself would probably add, whenever possible, which unit or element the subject of the image is a component of. Something like, usa, us_navy, cvw_3, vfa-34. Any further information like bureau numbers or side numbers that identify the specific aircraft I would place on the translated artist's commentary, along with a brief description of the image and its context.
Even armor regiments, as another example, could benefit from this. You'd get usa, us_army, 1st_tank_battalion; and then on translated artist's commentary you could point at the chevron on the side of the tank and say "The M1A1 on front with 'ASVAB Waiver' etched on the bore evacuator is A Company's 1st Platoon's 2nd Tank."
This could be readily applied to most cases, short of insurgency units, irregular militias, airsofters, or commercial photographs. But even at that point you could probably get away with just tagging the country the subject's from.

But I think forcing artist into the submission of the photograph's author, at a time when it's completely unknown whether or not a new tag category can be made, would be a little bit nearsighted. It might be more useful to just tag the actual company responsible for producing the systems, I'd artist: tag things like heckler_&_koch, crye_precision, raytheon, lockheed_martin, general_electric, so on and so forth. Most posts I've seen don't even have a source and it'd be unreasonable to even ask for one, as some of the photographs are either paywalled or were never published digitally as part of an entire portfolio where you can just go "yeah it's this photo by this guy". If available, the very source of the photograph, or the artist's commentary could be used to credit the photographer to greater effect than attempting to upload an author's entire portfolio just to justify having an artist tag for him.

For now I'll do whatever seems most appropriate for aircraft, and change to whatever is decided at a later date if it conflicts with what I'm doing.

Character works really well for vehicles i feel, especially if it's the main focus of the image.
i dont think it works as well for small arms and such. A real slippery slide could start once we view an AK as a character. All of the sudden a plate carrier is a character. A pair of boots is a character.

Character should be used for individuals in the photo, if known. And vehicles.
I feel like meta should exclusively be about the type of photo it is. Conflict should be general tags.
I feel like the tagging system used works pretty well.
In the end the point of tags is for photos to be found as easily as possible, that's it.

Just my two cents.

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